Could anyone pick out continuality mistakes in Enterprise?

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Could anyone pick out continuality mistakes in Enterprise?

Post by wingsabre » Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:54 pm

The Dauntless was showed but if you think about it the whole series is non-cannon because the crew of Voyager would have been able to point out that the registry number of the Dauntless was wrong because Starfleet doesn't repeat registry numbers unless it's the same ship's name. So either the whole season of Voyager is non-Cannon or the whole series of Enterprise is Non-Cannon. If the producers had it write this series would have been called Dauntless and not Enterprise.

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Post by Atlantis » Fri Jun 04, 2004 7:28 pm

[off-topic]maybe it was called NX-01-A because it was supposedly a new brand of starship[/off-topic]

Ooh inconsistencies in Enterprise. Well:

-Klingon Battlecruisers. The CGI model they used wasnt even of the TOS D'rell D7, it was a DS9 style K'T'inga.
-Suliban, where are they in the later series?
-Xindi, where are they in the later series?
-Sphere Builders, where are they in the later series? Especially seeing as we're battling them until the Ent-J era.
-Klingons. We ain't supposed to have first contact them till 2191, and that's supposed to be disastrous, they kick the hell out of our ships.
-Romulans, they dont have cloak yet, they develop that in early TOS era.
-Phase Cannons. in TOS's pilot, it mentions that Phasers have only just been invented, and fitted onto the Enterprise. Before that they used lasers. Just a name nitpick.
-Borg, don't even get me started on that.
-Enterprise. She's supposed to look like a highly modified Vulcan ship, as seen on the wall in TMP. I know that would make for a crappy CGI model for this series, but still.
-USS Intrepid & Neptune-class. How did we get from those really nice cool designs, to the basic Constitution, Avenger, and Ptolemy classes?

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Post by Cpt_Geddes » Fri Jun 04, 2004 11:00 pm

The Dauntless was showed but if you think about it the whole series is non-cannon because the crew of Voyager would have been able to point out that the registry number of the Dauntless was wrong because Starfleet doesn't repeat registry numbers unless it's the same ship's name. So either the whole season of Voyager is non-Cannon or the whole series of Enterprise is Non-Cannon. If the producers had it write this series would have been called Dauntless and not Enterprise.
Enterprise NX-01 isn't in the federation its an earth ship. So technically Starfleet doesn't repeat registry numbers.

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Post by Atlantis » Sat Jun 05, 2004 3:30 am

It was pre-federation yes, but 'Starfleet' did exist at that time. Starfleet predates the Federation :)

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Post by Phantom » Sat Jun 05, 2004 4:44 am

you are all treating the Dauntless like it is a real federation starship



If memory Serves, it was an alien ship that the alien used something more sophisticated than holograms to make his ship look like a federation ship



so in actuality, the Dauntless ISNT a federation ship


As such, the NX01-A registry don't matter as it could just be a random set of codes selected out of Voyager's database along with hull textures and others that the alien could have transmitted to his ship to give the illusion that it was a genuine ship from the Alpha Quadrent


This represents the "HOPE" in the episode title, "FEAR" is represented by Seven's anxious feelings to being surrounded by humans if Voyager uses the ALIEN STARSHIP to return to the Alpha Quadrent




The Dauntless IS NOT A FEDERATION STARSHIP it is ALIEN!



So the Registry on the ship could be by the alien looking through Voyagers' historical data and selecting a random and short registry. As for the dauntless in Enterprise's episode,


The USS Voyager took detailed scans of the ship it is logical to assume that these scans were not damaged in fights with the Borg, the Malon, and the Equinox that did most damage to Voyager by blowing holes in Voyager's hull. As a result this data along with all the data on the Delta Quadrent to which Chakotay put as "We'd collect enough data to have scientists back home baffled for years" or something like that,


But any how, 10 maybe 15 years after Voyager returns home, Starfleet may have tried building the aliens fake starship and then built up a fleet of them thus turning it then into a Federation Starship


But the vessel on Star Trek Voyager 4x26 is NOT FEDERATION!





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Post by Phantom » Sat Jun 05, 2004 5:01 am

THE BORG


The Borg on Enterprise


In Star Trek First Contact a Borg Sphere is destroyed by 4 Quantum Torpedoes from the Enterprise-E over the United States in 2063 the day before First Contact with the Vulcans (Anyone that guesses the reason for the films title gets a gold star)



The Sphere's debris shatters and some parts burn into the atmosphere and are discounted as shooting stars. Some parts on various trajectories crash into the planet's poles



A human research team in 2152 then discover the fragiments and frozen drones from the crash badly damaged. However once thawed the nanoprobes begins to regenerate the damage drones cells. (Anyone who can guess the Enterprise episode title gets another gold star)



The Borg then assimilates the repair team and assimlates their vessel. Severed from the collective they set a course for the delta quadrant while Admiral Forest contacts the Enterprise NX-01 to intercept and rescue the team unknown that they are lost causes.


After determining this Enterprise is forced to destroy the now assimilated vessel but not before a transmission is sent out to the collective




ENTERPRISE SEASON FINALE
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TOS SERIES PREMIER
TOS SERIES FINALE
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TNG SERIES PREMIER


The Enterprise NCC 1701-D is sent to the Romulan Neutral Zone after claims that colonies along the border are being destroyed by the Federation and the Romulans. Large creaters are detected on the boarder and the Romulans warn the federation that "we are back"



The Enterprise then makes contact with the Borg once again unknown to the crew that they recieved a communication, damaged in subspace over a prolonged course of time from the Alpha Quadrant and access the Enterprise's computers in Main Engineering to try and triangulate the locations of the 3 pointers that the Borg destroyed by Captain Archer placed for them



The Enterprise returns to federation space with the aid of Q, but not before the Borg obtain a starchart of the explored areas of space and set a course to investigate the markers given to them




The Borg then Assimilate Captain Picard and head to Earth after they destroy another colony on the plotted map sent by the borg in the 22nd Century







So as you can see, it isnt complicated at all. The Borg on Enterprise contacted the collective. The message was damaged however due to taking 200 years to reach the Borg by which time they had Transwarp technology but the damage reared them to the Neutral Zone where they assimilated human and romulan colonies. Romulans having limited knowledge of Federation Space, and the human colonies are merely monitoring stations no knowledge is gained on the location of whatever the borg were trying to send them till Q sends the Enterprise-D to the Delta Quadrent where the borg assimilate the computer core data and plot the 3 co-ordinates and repair the damaged message.


They then obtain full data on the Federation and issolate Earth as the heart where they assimilate Picard in an effort to remove a major player by assimilating millions into their collective consiousness






So Enterprise sealed the question that was created in the Next Generation which was aired in 1987





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Post by Atlantis » Sat Jun 05, 2004 5:18 am

I know Dauntless is alien. But why would an alien pretend he's in a Federation ship if its got obvious flaws like registry number errors.

And the Borg thing is solved even more simple than that. The Borg weren't seen before Ent-D went to the J25 system. THAT was first contact. There wasnt guys going "oh, theyre the guys who nearly took out our ships 200 years ago". Well Guinan was, but thats ElAuria, not Earth.

They assimilated Picard because he was the captain of the most powerful ship of the fleet. They said that in the episode. Pure canon. No guessing or what-ifs in there.

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Post by Phantom » Sat Jun 05, 2004 5:43 am

Ever notice how they didnt say "We are the Borg" in Regeneration?



Starfleet would have put them under "misc. cybernetic beings" - That is why there was no relation because they didnt classify them by race simply as a cybernetic life form nothing more nothing less




The Alien of the Dauntless went to the trouble to creating a ship to avenge his race as because Voyager aided the borg in stoping Species 8472, the borg continued to assimilate worlds and then his. If Voyager hadnt have helped, species 8472 would have destroyed the collective and his race would have survived. The flaws well, Voyager was on course to the dauntless while he was in Astrometrics trying to piece together a convincing message from Admiral Hayes and trying to sort out the bait (Dauntless)


Im just sick of ppl refering to it as federation as it isnt but well there are kretins about so I'll stay to my view.



But yeah, he would have had to act fast as I think Voyager was only 3-5 light years away and was heading there at high warp.



Besides, Voyager had been away from the Federation for 4 years with 2-3 contacts in recent months, they had no idea that even the uniforms had changed or that registry codes and ship classes may have been altered so they were non the wiser



(And those wanting to debat Hayes as he was in First Contact and Voyager after First Contact) (FC would have started the start of Season 4 whereas Hayes appeared mid way through Season 4 - and refered to by Seven in Year of Hell (ANOTHER LINK TO ENTERPRISE!) (Riker said his ship was destroyed not the Admiral



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Post by wingsabre » Sat Jun 05, 2004 9:46 am

Phantom wrote:you are all treating the Dauntless like it is a real federation starship
I am treating it like a federation starship because Voyager did, because this "seriously advance" ship did not notice the registry flaw through out the whole episode
Phantom wrote:If memory Serves, it was an alien ship that the alien used something more sophisticated than holograms to make his ship look like a federation ship
The technology was only interior not exterior and I'm talking about the exterior of the ship, as in the "registry."
Phantom wrote:As such, the NX01-A registry don't matter as it could just be a random set of codes selected out of Voyager's database along with hull textures and others that the alien could have transmitted to his ship to give the illusion that it was a genuine ship from the Alpha Quadrent
Since the Alien had technology to just copy the whole of Voyager's database, why the heck would he just pick a random numbering? It is most likely that he chose the Dauntless because it would pretend to be the Federations first slipstream ship just like the Federation's first warp 5 ship. Starfleet has repeated ship's names, but never the same name and registry number unless it's followed by a letter.
Phantom wrote:This represents the "HOPE" in the episode title, "FEAR" is represented by Seven's anxious feelings to being surrounded by humans if Voyager uses the ALIEN STARSHIP to return to the Alpha Quadrent
Wouldn’t it make sense for the Federation to name it's first warp 5 ship "HOPE" also, rather than Enterprise, because it's a new hope for the human race?
Phantom wrote:The Dauntless IS NOT A FEDERATION STARSHIP it is ALIEN!
The crew of Voyager IS NOT FILLED WITH IDIOTS THE CREWS WENT TO SCHOOL, AND SHOULD HAVE STUDIES THE FIRST WARP FIVE SHIP.
Phantom wrote:So the Registry on the ship could be by the alien looking through Voyagers' historical data and selecting a random and short registry. As for the dauntless in Enterprise's episode,
If the aliens looked through the historical records, then wouldn’t they notice the rules about adding a letter, or wouldn’t then name it Dauntless with a different registry number that has 5 ore more numbers? Starfleet has always increased the amount of numbers because of the increased amount of ships. The Daedalus Class had 3 registry numbers. Enterprise had 4 and the Defiant and Voyager had 5.
Phantom wrote:The USS Voyager took detailed scans of the ship it is logical to assume that these scans were not damaged in fights with the Borg, the Malon, and the Equinox that did most damage to Voyager by blowing holes in Voyager's hull. As a result this data along with all the data on the Delta Quadrent to which Chakotay put as "We'd collect enough data to have scientists back home baffled for years" or something like that,
Voyager had enough detailed scans to actually create a slip stream system, but it had enough buggs to be scrapped. It is reasonable for the federation to have a design like it in the future, but I was referring to the past, not the future.
Phantom wrote:But any how, 10 maybe 15 years after Voyager returns home, Starfleet may have tried building the aliens fake starship and then built up a fleet of them thus turning it then into a Federation Starship
That is logical but it does not make Enterprise NX-01 = Dauntless NX-01
Phantom wrote:But the vessel on Star Trek Voyager 4x26 is NOT FEDERATION!
We know it's "NOT FEDERATION" but the Voyager couldn’t figure it out from their history, after all Enterprise NX-01 was suppose to be in their history books. Why didn’t they realize that there was no Dauntless NX-01. The majority of the crew did go to Starfleet Academy and all did at least go to Zefram Cochrane 101, wouldn’t it be reasonable to go through Early Starfleet History 101?

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Post by CenturionV » Sat Jun 05, 2004 12:00 pm

If this has to do with the so called "dauntless" on enterprise, it should'nt the ship flew by at an angle and speed at which it would be impossible to 100% identify it, for all we know, ALL slipstream ships need the same basic naccelle design, as we only saw the bottom as it went past the window making a blanket statement "there was a dauntless class being used by the federation on enterprise" would be far premature.

Most so called "continuity errors" are totally explainable, its only are you willing to believe the explenations? are you willing to believe that phase cannons are less advanced than lasers, that the romulans have had cloak since 2152? That the cool looking NX-01 is actually a far less advanced ship than the the constitution class enterpise? And that the federation simply filed away the borg data they had and it simply got lost in the few hundred years until TNG? Most of the time its that people don't WANT to believe the explenations, they WANT to believe that the show is wrong and messed up and inconsistent.
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Post by wingsabre » Sat Jun 05, 2004 2:21 pm

CenturionV wrote:If this has to do with the so called "dauntless" on enterprise, it should'nt the ship flew by at an angle and speed at which it would be impossible to 100% identify it, for all we know, ALL slipstream ships need the same basic naccelle design, as we only saw the bottom as it went past the window making a blanket statement "there was a dauntless class being used by the federation on enterprise" would be far premature.

Most so called "continuity errors" are totally explainable, its only are you willing to believe the explenations? are you willing to believe that phase cannons are less advanced than lasers, that the romulans have had cloak since 2152? That the cool looking NX-01 is actually a far less advanced ship than the the constitution class enterpise? And that the federation simply filed away the borg data they had and it simply got lost in the few hundred years until TNG? Most of the time its that people don't WANT to believe the explenations, they WANT to believe that the show is wrong and messed up and inconsistent.

I'm not talking about the Dauntless on Enterprise; I'm talking about Enterprise being named Dauntless. To keep continuality with Voyager this series should have been named Dauntless instead of Enterprise.

Phase Cannons are a more advance terminology lasers are not. It wouldn't make sense for people to name something and then find something better, then find some thing way better, but choosing to use the first name given. Wouldn't that confuse the whole situation?

The "cool looking" NX-01 looks almost exactly like the Akira class. Couldn't they make a more advance design based on the Phoenix? Or they could dumb down the Daedalus Class. They have photon torpedo and if you look in the Star Trek Encyclopedia and Magazine it states that the Romulan War was fought with nuclear weapons and the two races couldn't see each other. Why are there view-screens when both sides couldn't see each other. Why would Starfleet use nuclear weapons when they have anti-mater which is fantastically more powerful than nuclear weapons?

Wow! We got it almost right the first time. Now lets downgrade and make the Constitution class.

There's also very little mistakes with the transporters. With the original series Scotty had to fix the transporters how many times? No one has died from the transporters in Enterprise, only got hurt, and it was one guy. How about killing a whole transport team?

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Post by Phantom » Sat Jun 05, 2004 6:52 pm

There is no telling how codes and registries would evolve. The Federation DOESNT EXIST in Enterprise. So there are no NCCs or anything. Ships are just named with a code. NX is the name of the class. (Archer makes reference to it. "This is an NX Class starship, get use to it because you'll be see more of them" so the NX in the registry, may not be a registry at all. Rather saying it is the first ship of the class.


The NX 01 is Enterprise
The NX 02 is Columbia


The USS Dauntless NX01-A is a future ship and to be honist the only ships I saw via the NCC1701-J's window was a Nova and a Promethus the others were unreconizable



But the registry on Enterprise is different from Federation Restries. I think it is safe to say that the Intrepid is an NY class as a site said it some where though it isnt on the show so deemed uncanon, but that'd make it


NY** Intrepid



I think that codes for pre-federation vessels are simply different in that u have the name, "ENTERPRISE" then you have the class name "NX" then you have the construction number "01" that is how I view the resistry code on Enterprise so that would mean both ships have no continuity errors.


The Dauntless was an alien ship used to try and fool the Voyager crew, the crew were so blinded by "hope" that they didnt listen to their 'gut' instincts until Seven managed to help Janeway sort out the data. It is logical to asume that he made federation markings on the ship to make it look real



There is no 'real' NX01 for the Federation so there is no saying wether there really is a USS Dauntless NX01. perhaps it is a preTNG ship



But remember that vessels will change and so will their prefexs. Ships in Enterprise I think are coded, by the ship name, the class name and the construction number making ENTEPRISE NX01 hense the reason why Enterprise has no USS or other Federation markings



It is just a matter of if you wish to accept it or contine debating in the general chat forum really




If it continues I'll have to move it to the debates forum

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Post by cecilzero1 » Sat Jun 05, 2004 8:30 pm

Adam...........remind me not to get into a debate with u lol or ill look like a fool :p


too bad i never got to see Voyager and 95% of Enterprise :(

or i would know what the hell u guys are talking bout lol so meh im usless in this debate lol :p
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Post by Cpt_Geddes » Sat Jun 05, 2004 8:42 pm

They have photon torpedo and if you look in the Star Trek Encyclopedia and Magazine it states that the Romulan War was fought with nuclear weapons and the two races couldn't see each other.
Thats non-cannon there, bub.

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Post by Alohaman » Sun Jun 06, 2004 2:03 am

For the last time the Encyclopedia is canon. It comes directly out of the show. What it says is true okay, I'd rather not get into a debate about this but I will if I have to prove to you that this book is canon.

Phase cannons should not exist since nothing to do with phasing was invented in that time period.

Transporters should not exist since they were experimental in the USS Enterprise NCC-1701. They were only prototypes therefore they should be using shuttles in Enterprise.

There was no such thing as photon torpedoes in that time, they were using missles and nuclear weapons. As stated by the canon Star Trek Encyclopedia.

The viewscreens could have been invented but I think that they would be primitive and not very clear.

I agree, that the NX looks like the Akira. They took the easy way out on that model.
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