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Post by blindeye01 » Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:01 pm

If they are deep-space travelers with zero-gravity in their ships, they could evolve to have four arms, since legs are useless in zero-g
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Post by Corbomite_Ray » Mon Feb 28, 2005 7:11 pm

EAS_Intrepid wrote:I see aliens everytime I go to school!

In fact, I think there is someone who wants to play his game with us on earth. In 1991 more than 1000, in words onethousand belgian people saw UFOs (the triangled ones, with three lights on the bottom) One was even over the NATO-headquarter for the european forces. NATO jets (F-16C Fighting Falcon of the belgian Air Force) started to intercept. The object "warped" away (four times faster than any man-made plane)
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Top-secret American "Aurora" spyplanes, I should think. Everything sounds right, and why would America want to share its secrets? There's a whole lot of urban myth about the superfast Aurora jet, and a lot of evidence, and the explanation is more sound than an alien UFO. As for some of the other "UFOs", ball lightning seems a likely explanation (as proven in the recent case).
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Post by EAS_Intrepid » Tue Mar 01, 2005 1:50 am

the aurora,
yes I heard of it. But it is based on the F-117A Nighthawk Steahlth Fighter, and this one is 1) very slow 2) very loud, 3)can't "stand still" in the air.
And the Aurora would be very loud, because it is probably using a "SCRAM-jet" (Very loud!) and the belgian triangles were absolutely silence.
After the comission of the F-22 RAPTOR and the XF-35 JSF, a new stealth fighter would not be required.
But it is an option.
I think this aurora craft is real, an invention of lockheed-martin, boeing and general electric engines.
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Post by Elrond » Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:00 am

I've heard recently of military scientists who are trying to come up with not only shields for craft but also - get this - inertial dampers. I can believe the shield thing because electromagnetic fields that powerful have already been generated. Inertial dampers on Star Trek is the system that is used to make it possible to jump to warp quickly (without inertial dampers, the people on the ship would be plastered to the walls - actually, the ship would also be destroyed). If developed, this advancement would make it possible to make craft that can make unbelievable maneuvers - that means a craft could turn around very quickly while going at higher speeds - now, all they can do is turn somewhat quickly at slower speeds. Doing that any faster produces so much G-Force that the pilot would most likely die.

If inertial dampers were possible, the maneuvers that are described in UFO sightings would be possible. And perhaps they have been developed before and that's what was really seen, but I don't see that technology coming around for at least 50 more years (at least to the military stage). It may take as long as 10 or 20 years after that that inertial dampers could be used in personal transport (cars, etc). Imagine if you got into a car accident but had shields and inertial dampers - it would be like riding on a cloud even during the accident - that is if the inertial dampers were fast enough to react during an accident. On a starship, the inertial dampers are apparently not fast enough to eliminate the brunt of the impact of a photon torpedo hit - that is why the personnel on a ship can feel the earthquake that results from a torpedo hit. If inertial dampers were quicker, the crew of a ship wouldn't feel any effects of weapons fire unless the weapons were very powerful and the hit was very strong.

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Post by CaptSyf » Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:03 pm

Actually, the Aurora project does not employ a scram jet or other hyper-sonic engine. It employs an electro-magnetic impulse drive. And you could not hear it too well even directly over head, except if you were out in the country, then you could hear a faint sound, sort of a "voolm voolm voolm voolm" sound (that's hard to relay into words). A quiet pulsing sound.
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Post by odyssey » Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:41 am

Hmmm... sounds plausible, but my question is this... why are these are ultra top secret military test or any tests being conducted out in the open over populated areas with eyewitnesses and all. Surely, one would assume they would be conducted in wide open deserted plains or underground to advoid detection. All they are doing by conducting these test in the wide open is creating fear and conspiracy buffs , inviting public scrunity and government inquiries. Either the military is acting really dumb or something more is afoot with these sightings.

Please bear in mind, that I'm not one of "X-Files" conspiracy nuts and I don't believe in every reports of the UFO phenomenon to be true. I approach this subject with a open mind in terms of possiblities , speculations and a scientific curiosity.

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Post by CaptSyf » Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:48 am

Me too.

As far as testing aircraft, the US military has tested many craft for years well within the public eye. That's how the 50s and 60's ended up having a massive increase in UFO sightings. I always say "the best place to hide something, is in plain sight".
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Post by EAS_Intrepid » Wed Mar 02, 2005 7:37 am

I agree, neither the US-Military nor the Russian Air Force would conduct tests of an entirely new aircraft over a inhabited area. The USAF has a lot of space in Nevada or New Mexico. So the Russians. Sibiria is a large inhabited area were they test their new MiG or Suchoi - Interceptors.
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Post by odyssey » Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:12 pm

I like to go back to the evolutionary aspect for a moment and I was thinking that the possibility that aliens might have evolved to a point that they no longer have the capabilities to reproduce themselves. Judging by the reports of their appearance whether they're real or imaginery... they lack noticable gentials. Intellectual elevation at a great cost of physical decline?

That could explain the reported abductions and forced physical examinations on their unwilling subjects. In some cases, they conduct breeding or rape experiments resulting in hybrids in order to prolong the survival of their race. The whole moral implications and issue is obvious, but can you imagine the possiblities that on some other worlds being populated by genetic humans? Also what happens to abductees who were never released and heard from again? It's very frightening prospect if you think about for a while.

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Post by Numbazix » Sat Mar 05, 2005 7:55 am

Although I have never had any encounters of the wierd kind, my neighbor not only had one but suffered lost time of 1 hour. That's what he claims anyway. I have no proof either way. Since I can't rule them out, yes, I do believe in UFO's.

As for their point of origin. If my understanding of relativity is anywhere close to correct, once light speed is attained all distances are relative and therefore the point of origin could be anywhere in the universe.

What do they look like? I personally prefer the Gray's concept. However they could look like big lumps of lime jelly. Since my nieghbor can't remember anything about them or their appearance I'll have to guess on that one. :mrgreen:
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Post by Zered003 » Sun Mar 06, 2005 2:34 am

The USA does have a secret place to test everything. It is called Area 51. Russia has its own but I forget what it is called. A Spy plane being a UFO is very possible. Example: USA retired the SR-71 blackbird b/c it is obsolete. Then during the last Iraqi war the USA flew U2 spyplanes over Iraq to explain recon photos taken overhead. Last time I checked the U2 spyplane was older then the SR-71. Also while a Black bird has never been shot down a U2 spy plane has. There is no other reason for such an obvious breach of brain power by the USA.
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Post by EAS_Intrepid » Sun Mar 06, 2005 3:01 am

In fact, the U2 is cheaper to run as the SR-71. The SR-71 is also still in service. runned by ........... NASA!!

FUN: I also prefer the gray ones. Veeery funny those guys. as said, like my classmates. END FUN

I ever wondered why those aliens never had any uniforms or any clothes. I mean, a high technology species has nothing to wear for the abduction tonight?
Then, they can move in our atmospheres, okay, they maybe breath the same oxygen like human beings. But every small virus could kill them.

Ever seen a smoking alien?

And, anybody here know the Men In Black?
Whaut about the abduction of cows? Alien drug smugglers?
And why are 12 AH-64 APACHE attack helicopters escorting an UFO IN WYOMMING?

I think those facts (not the Alien drug smugglers, of course) are issues of the UFO phenomen.
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Post by Twitch » Tue Mar 08, 2005 2:49 pm

Whatever UFOs are or aren't is of no consequence. The statistical probability that so many people have seen them and caputured images of them is beyond the range of hoax or mistake 100% of the time. The sad thing is that the scientific community in general shun the subject. No seriously funded studies have occured in either camp pro or con. For the most part it's all opinion. Opinions are like azzholes- everybody's got one and they all stink.

It is SOME sort of phenomenon. If it is not ETs it should be an very interesting scientific study into what does cause the sightings. If it is a natural phenomenon that would be interesting to find out too. If it's a mental aberration that would be of interest as well.

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Post by JPKTrekker » Wed May 11, 2005 11:03 pm

I am going to relate a story from when I was young.

I was outside the church were my mom teaches preschool one night. I was playing on the playground when I noticed a large, and I mean large, triangular shaped craft go by overhead. It was quite low, around tree-top level. Then the next thing I recall is talking to my mom inside the building. I have no recollection of what happened in the blank area.
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Post by Corbomite_Ray » Wed May 11, 2005 11:31 pm

Likely a dream.
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