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Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 4:55 am
by Wok
*this is very last last last though... really... maybe... ummm hmmmm...*

Yeah, I agree (with lots of exceptions as usual) but there is just one Final thing I just can't stop myself from saying---
How come no Chinese are complaining on the web about American foreign policy or Iranians bitching about trade restrictions.
-Vast majority of Iranians an Chinese don't speak Engish and haven't got computers or any outlets in there homes, lol. Neither do most of them know as much of the west as we, um, westerners do. And lots of other lifestyle/culture stuff aswell, all contributes to why there are no Chinese people on AFC.

-Um, there are plenty of reason why the US is disliked. Some fair, some blatantly wrong and alot hypocritical. Though if you want to know why so many Europeans have views of the USA, its because of the above; a lack of cultural, technological an language barriers. Thats why you hear them I suppose...

Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2004 4:55 pm
by Elrond
Sorry I didn't get back faster - power outage for over 12 hours :lol:

Anyway, I have just a few final thoughts as well. Thanks to you dudes who have very logical-thinking minds. In most political conversations I have seen (including those over the web forums), I usually see two sides at each other's necks. In this I see a good exception, a scene that is though not very rare, it is still a scene that is not seen quite often enough. If in this country, our government could work this way, perhaps progress would not be so far off.
Thank you for seeing the ex-phsych major in me. I just graduated on May 8 from Clarion University with a degree in Earth Science and Computer Science. Here's sort of the story to the whole psych thing - I was originally taking student teaching to get a certification in Secondary Education. I didn't quite make it because I was going through grief at that time and I actually thought that the world was coming to an end. In a short word, it was grief from an unexpected set of terrible events that have happened in the last few years. That, coupled with some lack of faith in our world led to feelings of hopelessness and a feeling that my work was futile - that it wouldn't amount to much. I left student teaching and decided to graduate on what I had. Finding a job was difficult at first and for three months, times were hopeless. But, seeing as my problems dealt mostly with my grief, I worked like never before to rid myself of that grief and build up a feeling of hope, even if things were bad. Though that grief has ended recently, I realize the possibility of it returning. Since the onset of grief is as hard to detect as a cloaked ship, I will have to have a sort of 'tachyon detection grid' that will detect this onset.
My situation is much like America's - at every tough turn in the road, everyone at one point will think that there may be no future. The odds sometimes seem to be completely against us - how are we going to make this planet, this country, safe for the future - and if so, when will that time come. With optimism, these questions may not be answered in full and the problems may still be ever-present. But without optimism, I found life to be too dark. Optimism to me is the feeling that there is some magic in this world - and it's not in the things we do or even the things we say, but in how we feel and how we think. Hope, as a feeling, must always be nearby and the resolve to better ourselves we must make our weapon in the face of darkness. Many have died in battle feeling that way, but they have done so feeling as though they have accomplished something. And those who have not fought in battles know that their actions they performed because they wanted to better themselves and spread that attitude to others.
The optimism President Bush seems to have for our nation is a necessary resource, and his predelection for improving foreign policy is a must, but a resource he is missing is a realization of domestic affairs. In this nation, much has been provided for, but I would agree that some things are lacking. But optimism in the light of the uncertain times we face is the greatest resource someone could have at this time. In the light of optimism is the darkness of some of the truths we have seen - the threat of disease, weapons, and terrorists have shown the dark side of an otherwise safe world. When it comes down to it, we just gotta be glad we're alive, no matter how long time gives us all. Along with the prospect of life, we do all wish for an end to these darker times. "But that is not for us to decide..all we are here to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us." Many will decide to use their time for good while some may decide to use their time for evil, whether because of a chemical imbalance or confusion or because of some other complex. I think one thing that the terrorists want is to belong and they will do anything to show that they do indeed belong - and when I say anything, I mean they will do anything. And we have all seen the 'anythings' that they will do to relieve their personal demons. And that is just one of the many problems we face in this world among the many wonders there are!
We've had a bad start to this new millenium, and it may get worse at times, but hope endures as long as civilization lives. The only thing that will stop civilization is an event of global or cosmic significance - an asteroid, comet, solar flare, or gamma ray burst. There's a chance of that happening, but we will probably see this century through without that happening :D .
Well, the hour is late. Good luck to you folks in your endeavours! 8)

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 3:31 am
by Achilles
Wok wrote:
Let's all get pissed off about Great Britain's Imperial Empire's transgressions while we are at it.
Stupid imperial racist bastards!..
Have you spent time in the uk? do you know us?

I have lived here all my life, I know we are zenophobic, weakening and attempting to shadow ourselves beneath the US however apart from a small fraction of the very few monarchists left no one longs for imperialism or feudalism of any kind, we have our own troubles just like you.

You are subscribing to a mob view, you see each country as a whole and generalize the citizens on that view. Stupid imperial racist bastards? thats a hypocritical statement isn't it..... take some time and think about that one!

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 9:14 am
by Numbazix
The people of most nations in Western civilisation are good decent folk. Opinions are like the wind and change often. Given the right circumstances, even I could vote Republican. Er, well, it could happen.

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:49 am
by Elrond
Hey, ya never know! :lol:

Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 10:46 pm
by Wok
Have you spent time in the uk? do you know us?

I have lived here all my life, I know we are zenophobic, weakening and attempting to shadow ourselves beneath the US however apart from a small fraction of the very few monarchists left no one longs for imperialism or feudalism of any kind, we have our own troubles just like you.

You are subscribing to a mob view, you see each country as a whole and generalize the citizens on that view. Stupid imperial racist bastards? thats a hypocritical statement isn't it..... take some time and think about that one!
It was a joke. I live in the UK. It was a joke.

Johnson Executed

Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 6:28 am
by Numbazix
They've done it again. Johnson was executed sometime today and three photos posted on their website. These evil bastards deserve a slow painful death. Sorry peeps, but that's how I feel right now.

Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 1:41 pm
by odyssey
I tend and like to stay out of world politics, but right now, ... the motto "KILL THEN ALL AND LET GOD SORT THEM OUT! :evil: " is what I'm feeling now... with apologies to those who may be offended.

Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2004 5:06 pm
by CenturionV
Sigh, don't these people realize we will kill them if they continue attacks on our people? Not that I would not mind seeing muslim extremist killed in large numbers, but seriously, what do they hope to gain? they know the US does no negotiate with kidnappers.

Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:46 am
by Wok
Wasn't there a 'Why do people dislike the US?' thread somewhere [sic]

Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:46 am
by Numbazix
CenturionV wrote:Sigh, don't these people realize we will kill them if they continue attacks on our people? Not that I would not mind seeing muslim extremist killed in large numbers, but seriously, what do they hope to gain? they know the US does no negotiate with kidnappers.
They've stated this time and time again: They want to be killed and become martyrs to the cause. What they hope to gain is the Kingdom of Heaven and new recruits. They also want as much press as they can get. As for liking or disliking the US, there are countries the US doesn't like, but we don't take hostages and decapitate them.

Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2004 4:52 am
by Wok
I was just jibing at how some Americans (no offense) complain at how their country is disliked, but don't want to know/can't accept why. :roll:

The only thing I do not like is its government...

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 1:08 am
by Twitch
The radical muslims want ALL of modern civilization to be destroyed so that the world can be returned to a time of 1000 years ago when muslims ruled a good part of Europe and the mid east. It ain't just us gringos it's the English, French, Germans, Swedes and EVERYONE else. Talk about an impossiblity. Let's time travel.

And in Sudan the muslims are attempting genocide on the blacks there. Hey it's not a big and popular story for the world's news gathering entities so there's little mention of it. No Europeans, Americans or Korean people or any from developed countries are involved so why give it press, must be the rationale.

Numby, don't forget, if they die they get that flock of virgins for eternity. The Kamikazi effort in WW2 seems so rational now when compared.

the odds are in whose favor?

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 6:53 am
by Zered003
I just find it odd that they think that they can beat the USA when for every American they kill hundreds or even thousands of thier own people are killed. While I don't like the deaths on either side. They started this little war and if they want to keep it up given thier death ratio let them all die and be martyrs. But I guess they never thought about the fact that if they all die as martyrs then noone will really care because thier cause will die with them. So, I say let the whole world unite against them and let those little bastards kill themselves.

Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:34 am
by cecilzero1
if there is going to be WW 3 the U.S.A will be the first to be hit