Star Trek: Birth of the Federation MOD

Post by **severenth** » Wed May 20, 2009 4:48 pm

Lets not forget, which ever we go for, YOU the player will be playing to the strengths of your ship in the skirmish

MrD wrote:One thing I noticed: the Miranda does not have the space for a power reactor as big as the Connie, so my personal guess would be less firepower on the Phasers for the Miranda.

dont forget, the miranda is 20 ( or so ) years newer than the constitution, and would ( and will ) benifit from thoses discoverys

Post by **stardust** » Wed May 20, 2009 4:56 pm

severenth wrote:Lets not forget, which ever we go for, YOU the player will be playing to the strengths of your ship in the skirmish

[quote="MrD]One thing I noticed: the Miranda does not have the space for a power reactor as big as the Connie, so my personal guess would be less firepower on the Phasers for the Miranda.

dont forget, the miranda is 20 ( or so ) years newer than the constitution, and would ( and will ) benifit from thoses discoverys[/quote][/quote]

Scouting in force....1 scout, 100 cruisers along with it

Post by **MrD** » Wed May 20, 2009 5:01 pm

You are right, I guess.
I forgot to mention that my statement referred to the Constituttion refit.
As I understood it the purpose of the whole refit was to get her up to a mirandastyle standard, including the power systems, weapons shields etc..
They only needed to take her apart completely and put her back together to achieve it.

But the Constitution as still a lot bigger and when you look at the scematics that warpcore runs down the entire neck of the ship.
And I don't believe it's the same warpcore she had during the original series.
The makers of the first film said they wanted to show that the refitted Enterprise had this huge new power source when Kirk entered engineering and looked down the warpcore.

So the food chain might be

Constitution refit
Miranda
Constitution original

as far as raw firepower is concerned, while the more maneuverable and newer Miranda prevailed eventually when we look at TNG

Post by **severenth** » Wed May 20, 2009 5:04 pm

MrD wrote:So the food chain might be

Constitution refit
Miranda
Constitution original

And the various Miranda refit on top of that

Post by **MrD** » Wed May 20, 2009 5:08 pm

And the various Miranda refit on top of that

Yes but those would be somewhere towards the timeframe that as far as I understand it is not included in this mod.

Post by **severenth** » Wed May 20, 2009 5:12 pm

MrD wrote:
And the various Miranda refit on top of that
Yes but those would be somewhere towards the timeframe that as far as I understand it is not included in this mod.

Discussions on a 'minor' upgrade as the Excelsior gets refitted

Post by **MrD** » Wed May 20, 2009 5:26 pm

severenth wrote: Discussions on a 'minor' upgrade as the Excelsior gets refitted

Yes, but then again the Constitution refit might have gotten a few upgrades herself, for example the bridge of the Enterprise-A in Star Trek4, allegedly the renamed Yorktown, looked quite different from the Star Trek 1-3 Enterprise with those LCARS consoles

Post by **jonboylondon** » Wed May 20, 2009 9:42 pm

Hey chaps....

The question of which ship can do the other is a topic debated long and hard and with little fruit in the ST world

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=2893170 or http://steve.pugh.net/fleet/miranda.html (here is a good article as well about the ship.)

From the masses and masses of tech specs and articles and pictures I have been looking at of the two ships

I think we will follow this train of thought...

Top of the line Ship will be Excelsior,

Two Command ships will be Constitution and Miranda both with refits and stats based as I mentioned above and as severenth said....

severenth wrote:Lets not forget, which ever we go for, YOU the player will be playing to the strengths of your ship in the skirmish

Advanced Cruiser will be Constellation....

Cruiser - I hope to use a Saladin class which will have a refit too..

Advanced Detroyer will be the Oberth...

Destroyer will be the Daedalus class...

Scout will be the Hermes class..

Antares class - Colony ship...

Sydney Class -TT2

I hope to be able to post some smashing pics i found but just checking with the creator!!

JBL

PS Mr D i will respond to ur pm asap about gorn ships need to have a good look at that!!

Post by **MrD** » Thu May 21, 2009 5:38 am

jonboylondon wrote:
Top of the line Ship will be Excelsior,

Two Command ships will be Constitution and Miranda both with refits and stats based as I mentioned above and as severenth said....

Advanced Cruiser will be Constellation....

They'll scare the enemy like they should.

jonboylondon wrote: Cruiser - I hope to use a Saladin class which will have a refit too..

Didn't think of her as a cruiser, she's more like the scary version of a destroyer, but should be fine there.

jonboylondon wrote: Advanced Detroyer will be the Oberth...

You realize that in the TMP era, Chekov said "scout class vessel" and Kirk's first thought was not Bird of Prey but the Grissom, and that Kruge's BOP oneshot her.

And unlike the version from Klingon Academy the actual model has two Phaser mounts and no torp launcher, so she might be better as an Advanced Scout.

jonboylondon wrote: Destroyer will be the Daedalus class...

I know the official size is somethere around 120 m, but the model has two rows of windows in the horizontal neck, which would make her around 180 to 210 meters long.
With that big spherical primary hull she might be a little heavy for a destroyer.

jonboylondon wrote: Scout will be the Hermes class..

You realize that the Hermes and the Saladin look identical.

Something smaller might be better suited, like the Burke frigate.

jonboylondon wrote: Antares class - Colony ship...

Sounds perfect.

jonboylondon wrote: Sydney Class -TT2

Will you need a TOS Sydney as TT1?

jonboylondon wrote: PS Mr D i will respond to ur pm asap about gorn ships need to have a good look at that!!

I know you recruited me for the Gorn models, but it seems my primary purpose seems to be bombarding you with questions.
Take your time, I can build them without the need to agree on a naming and classing convention

Post by **Pigman** » Sat May 23, 2009 10:39 am

Am doing GORN and THOLIAN interfaces for this mod, so this isn't off topic.

I want to change colour of BOTF fonts and have so far only managed to change fonts by renaming alternative empire font files, but this doesn't change colour (except on the 9 point font which seems to take it's empire colour with it) so I imagine that control of font colour is held in other files.

Anyone know how to do what I want.

I can Hex Edit if anyone knows which file to edit and which values to change.

Regards

Pigman

Post by **Pigman** » Sat May 23, 2009 1:23 pm

Ref my previous post, anyone know if instructions for font colours are held in TREK.EXE or in some other file within STBOF.RES, or elsewhere?

Really need to change font colours to make GORN interface look right in this new mod!!

Help greatly appreciated

Regards

Pigman

Post by **DCER** » Sun May 24, 2009 4:19 am

Nobody has managed to change font color yet.

The info is either in trek.exe or in the wdf files. Try switching some of the race specific wdf files, to see if the font color changes in those interfaces (the font itself will). If it doesn't then I bet the info is in trek.exe.

If it's in trek.exe a good place to start would be here: viewtopic.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=831

The post will tell you where you can change empire graphics prefixes (c, h, f, k, r), color info could also be somewhere in that location.

Post by **jonboylondon** » Sun May 24, 2009 6:44 pm

Hey all,

Here is a sneaky peek at some of the fantastic work pigman has been doing to keep you piqued!!

Great work Pigman!!

JBL

Post by **eber3** » Sun May 24, 2009 6:52 pm

That is awesome!!! I really like the snake heads, lol. To cool.

Post by **carcher** » Sun May 24, 2009 7:59 pm

i cant even begin to imagine how much work and time you've put into that pigman ,but it looks amazing

not only that , but it has a real "feeling" to it.please dont alter it

its fine just the way it is.