The Galaxy X (the three nacelled Galaxy variant seen in TNG ‘All Good Things”), has always elicited extreme views from BOTF players. You either like it or loath it. There are basically two strong arguments against its existence in the ‘real’ Star Trek timeline.
Firstly, since the Enterprise D (Galaxy class), was destroyed in the movie ‘Generations’, it could not have been upgraded to this variant in the future.
Secondly, since the universe this ship exists in was manufactured by Q, this timeline is just a product of his imagination and bears no relation to the vessels or political situation existing in the ‘prime’ timeframe.
The same arguments, to a lesser extent, could also be applied to the Klingon cruiser class seen in TNG ‘All Good Things’.
Worf calls them ‘attack cruisers’
WORF: Two Klingon attack cruisers decloaking to port and starboard.
http://www.chakoteya.net/NextGen/277.htm
No official designation for the type seems to exist at present. The term ‘Voodieh seems to come from a non-canon card game.
“According to the non-canon Decipher customizable card game, the future Negh'Var type that appeared in "All Good Things..." was identified as a Voodieh-class.”
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Voodieh_class
Since the official designation is unknown, we’ll use ‘Voodieh’ for now, with the understanding that this may change once the powers that be finally get around to naming the type.
Yes, this timeline has been manufactured by Q for his own purposes. But I assume he based it on a real model. The ships, as will be seen, are logical viable developments of current models. While he may have altered and manipulated the political situation, there is nothing to suggest that the future couldn’t have developed along these very lines.
First to the Galaxy X (again this is not an official designation, but from the game itself – you could just as legitimately call it a refitted or upgraded Galaxy). Basically a Galaxy with an extra nacelle, with extra weaponry, including a massive phaser cannon on the lower primary hull, and cloaking ability. Like many others, I wondered how this Enterprise could ever exist given that the Enterprise D had been destroyed. But after giving it some thought, it is possible.
A precedent in the movies and series has been set for renaming ships already built. In STIV ‘The Voyage Home’, the crew are assigned a new ship at the end of the movie. Expecting the Excelsior, they are surprised and delighted to come face to face with a new refitted Constitution class vessel, the Enterprise A.
McCOY: The bureaucratic mentality is the only constant in the universe. We'll get a freighter.
SULU: With all respect, Doctor, I'm counting on Excelsior.
SCOTT: Excelsior? Why in God's name would you want that bucket of bolts?
KIRK: A ship is a ship.
SCOTT: Whatever you say, sir. Thy will be done.
KIRK: My friends, ...we've come home.
(they approach a shiny new Constitution-class starship, NCC-1701A, a New Enterprise)
http://www.chakoteya.net/movies/movie4.html
This ship was obviously a recently built Constitution vessel already presumably named (since the Enterprise was still in existence). As a reward to Kirk and his crew this ship was renamed Enterprise A.
A similar situation occurs in DS9. The original Defiant had been destroyed in battle. Sisko and his crew get another Defiant class ship, but one already named.
EZRI: I didn't know we were getting another Defiant class ship.
SISKO: That's what happens when you miss staff meetings.
O'BRIEN: Looks just like her.
SISKO: Let's hope she fights like her.
[Bridge]
(The dedication plaque says USS SAO PAULO. NCC 75633. Launched SD 52889.3. All the production staff are listed, starting with Rick Berman and Michael Piller. It ends with Chief of Staff Gene Roddenberry. Motto - Give me liberty or give me death - Patrick Henry.)
ROSS: All hands, attention to orders. From Starfleet Headquarters, Office of the Admiralty, to Captain Benjamin L. Sisko. As of this date, you are requested and required to take command of USS Sao Paulo. Signed, Vice Admiral William J. Ross, Stardate 52861.3. Computer, transfer all command codes to Captain Sisko.
COMPUTER: Command codes transferred
SISKO: I relieve you, sir.
ROSS: I stand relieved. She's all yours, Ben. You've got a fine ship here.
SISKO: She has some big shoes to fill.
(Ross and his staff leave.)
BASHIR: I hate the carpet. I do.
ROSS: Oh, by the way, there's something else on that PADD that might interest you.
(Ross leaves, properly.)
SISKO: Special dispensation from the Chief of Starfleet Operations to change the name from Sao Paulo to Defiant.
DS9 ‘The Dogs of War’
http://www.chakoteya.net/DS9/574.htm
Once again, an already built, named vessel is given a previous ship’s designation.
This precedent allows for a future Galaxy class Enterprise. At the end of ST ‘Nemesis’, Picard continues to command the Sovereign Class Enterprise E, while Will Riker takes command of the Titan (type unknown).
PICARD: Come. ...Will!
RIKER: Permission to disembark, sir.
PICARD: Granted. ...So, where's the Titan off to?
RIKER: The Neutral Zone, sir. We're heading up the new task force. Apparently the Romulans are interested in talking.
PICARD: Well I can't think of a better man for the job. ...If I may, just a word of advice about your first command.
RIKER: Anything.
PICARD: When your first officer insists that you can't go on away missions,...
RIKER: ...ignore him. I intend to. ...Serving with you has been an honour.
PICARD: The honour was mine, Captain.
http://www.chakoteya.net/movies/movie10.html
We at present don’t know what happens to the Enterprise E. Presumably it is either decommissioned or destroyed, Picard either retires or is lost in some mission. In Q’s universe in TNG ’All Good Things’, Admiral Riker captains this future Enterprise. It is unclear from the episode whether it is Riker’s ship or if he is simply commandeering it for this mission. In either case this Enterprise replaces the Enterprise E, and therefore should be the Enterprise F.
We can at present only speculate as to how this Enterprise comes into being. Given Riker’s history with the Enterprise D (Galaxy class), I can see him saving one of the few remaining Galaxy classes from decommissioning and upgrading it to make it a viable future ship. Perhaps the upgrades give it some advantage over a Sovereign or the currently unknown Sovereign replacement. The precedent set for renaming ships would allow him to rechristen this new ship Enterprise. In the episode we get the following dialogue.
LAFORGE: The ship has held up pretty well over the years.
RIKER: They tried to decommission her about five years ago. One of the advantages of being an Admiral is you get to choose your own ship.
http://www.chakoteya.net/NextGen/277.htm
One could assume that Riker was referring to the original Enterprise D when saying how well the ship had held up over the years. However, given the ambiguity of the statement he could just as easily be referring to another Galaxy class he saved and renamed. But if the writers DID mean the reference to refer to the Enterprise D, then that is still possible if we assume that in this Q timeline, the Enterprise D never got destroyed (yes I know, a LOT of assumptions, but that’s what you get when the franchise doesn’t supply you with consistent, precise, scriptwriting!)
The presence of a phase cloak also need not be a problem. Given that in this timeline the Romulan Empire has been taken over by the Klingons, means that the Treaty of Algeron becomes null and void. There is therefore now no legal or political reason why the Federation should not develop cloaking technology and fit it to it’s warships. Especially now with a hostile, cloak capable Klingon Empire on their doorstep.
If, for all the above reasons, we agree that the Galaxy X could be a legitimate ship class, then how do we portray it in the game? In the episode, its’ phaser cannon was strong enough to punch through the shields and armour of a cruiser class vessel. Whether the Klingon shields were fully powered or just enough to defeat such an ‘unworthy’ opponent is debatable, but, the following episode dialogue proves that they were raised….
CHILTON: Impulse power's fluctuating. Shields down to thirty percent.
PICARD: Weapons status?
WORF: These weapons are no match for their shields.
http://www.chakoteya.net/NextGen/277.htm
In the vanilla game, the Galaxy X and its upgrade are given the following stats…
Galaxy X
Cost 9730
Maintenance 100
Range Medium
Speed 2
Shields 610
Hull 205
Beam Wpns 11 X 45
Torp Wpns 8 X 76
Full Volley 1103
Galaxy X Upgrade
Cost 15090
Maintenance 100
Range Medium
Speed 2
Shields 670
Hull 219
Beam Wpns 13 X 55
Torp Wpns 9 X 92
Full Volley 1543
Sovereign
Cost 14620
Maintenance 134
Range Short
Speed 1
Shields 840
Hull 260
Beam Wpns 14 X 50
Torp Wpns 9 X 84
Full Volley 1456
Sovereign Upgrade
Cost 31830
Maintenance 134
Range Short
Speed 2
Shields 900
Hull 274
Beam Wpns 16 X 60
Torp Wpns 10 X 100
Full Volley 1960
Stats taken from http://members.aon.at/zelli/hships.htm
The Galaxy X has superior cost, maintenance, range and speed, but is X is inferior in combat power compared to the Sovereign. It is roughly half way between a normal Galaxy and a Sovereign in the vanilla game of BOTF. A budding modder could follow this example.
Personally, I think the phaser cannon and cloak make it a much more lethal warship than a normal Sovereign class, at least in a first strike situation (It doesn’t cloak in the original vanilla game, but that can be fixed by editing). I’d concede that the Sovereign probably has better shielding, but hull ratings are debatable. While the Sovereign may have ablative armour as standard, the Galaxy with its larger hull volume, has more hull to play with. Certainly, the phaser cannon should outperform the normal Sovereign phasers by a considerable margin, especially when you consider that the Galaxy X has a whole extra nacelle to draw power from. In a mod, one could simulate the cannon by either substituting a large number of phasers, or having one mega beam weapon on the hull. If going for the latter option, the weapon should be reduced to a few shots (5 or 6?) per tactical turn in the interests of play balance. This is supported by the tv episode. The Galaxy X fires its cannon and destroys one Klingon ship with at least half a dozen hits, but is hit by fire from the other.
The entire battle can be viewed here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0R0mdEP5fc
The length of this ship as given in Ex Astris Scientia is 642m, the same length as a normal Galaxy.
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schem ... ships3.htm
We now turn to the Klingon ships. When first viewed, the type is clearly related to the Negh Var. The differences include a slightly different shaped prow (more pointed), no weapons pods on the lower fuselage, and additional weapons spikes on the nose and wings (these spikes also appear in the later Negh Var model in Voyager’s last episode).
Since Worf calls them ‘Attack cruisers’, we must assume that this type either supplements the Vorcha class attack cruiser or replaces it. It makes sense for the Klingons to use the proven Negh Var design as a template for a cruiser model – this cuts down development and building time.
As to the size of this ship, we may be able to make some rough estimates from the episode itself, by comparing it with the Olympic Class USS Pasteur, where, in some scenes, the two are seen together.
http://www.ditl.org/picship.php?ClassID ... D=Temporal
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/File: ... asteur.jpg
Bearing in mind the uncertainties of distance between the ships,(but they seem reasonably close together), it appears that the length of the Pasteur is roughly equivalent to the length of the boom and neck of the Klingon ships, that is, roughly two thirds their length.
The official length of the Olympic Class is given as 320m in Ex Astris Scientia.
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schem ... ships2.htm
If 320m is two thirds their length, we are looking at a ship size of roughly 480 m, perhaps more depending on distance between ships. Certainly not more than 500-520m.
This is an equivalent or slightly larger length to a Vorcha (481m), and smaller than a Negh Var (682m)
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schem ... _ships.htm
It certainly follows the tradition of a model type coming in different sizes in the Klingon fleet – consider the various sized Bird of Prey models.
As to combat power, we can infer very little from the brief action in the episode. Given the tactical situation (surprise attack by a cloaked ship), this may not be an accurate indication of how powerful the type really is. One ship was indeed destroyed, but we are looking at a cruiser sized ship taking on a battleship. The Klingons do return fire, resulting in some damage to the Enterprise.
RIKER: Engage cloak.
GAINES: Admiral, we took a direct hit to the starboard plasma coil. Our cloak isn't functioning. Engineering reports it'll be seven hours before we can cloak again.
RIKER: All right, we'll do it the old-fashioned way. Set a course for the Federation, warp thirteen
http://www.chakoteya.net/NextGen/277.htm
In game terms, the Voodieh should be definitely more capable than the Vorcha. By how much is up to the modder. Certainly it should be less powerful than an uprated Negh Var (the type seen in Voyager ‘Endgame’).
Well, those are my thoughts for the moment.
Cheers
Geon
Galaxy X and Voodieh classes
Moderator: thunderchero
Re: Galaxy X and Voodieh classes
Dear geon, I certainly hope you will not take offense but I've looked at your analysis here an noticed a possible error:
Just like you I've looked at the battle sequance from "All Good Things" and the length of the Pasteur and her assailants.
And I agree that the Olympic is roughly as long as the forward section and neck of the Klingon Attack cruisers, as can clearly be seen here:
however, the rather dark footage from that episode somewhat obscures the fact that the 682 meters of the Negh'var come particularly from
its large aft section that extends beyond both the main hull and the nacelles.
I've taken one of the few probably official images of the Negh'var I could find and counting pixels divided the ship into two equally long parts.
Thus each part would be roughly 340 meters long.
The result looks like this:
I know it's not a particularly attractive pic but it's the best I could come up with at this point.
Thus the attack cruisers would be as long as the Negh'var and not around 500 meters as you calculated.
Just like you I've looked at the battle sequance from "All Good Things" and the length of the Pasteur and her assailants.
And I agree that the Olympic is roughly as long as the forward section and neck of the Klingon Attack cruisers, as can clearly be seen here:
however, the rather dark footage from that episode somewhat obscures the fact that the 682 meters of the Negh'var come particularly from
its large aft section that extends beyond both the main hull and the nacelles.
I've taken one of the few probably official images of the Negh'var I could find and counting pixels divided the ship into two equally long parts.
Thus each part would be roughly 340 meters long.
The result looks like this:
I know it's not a particularly attractive pic but it's the best I could come up with at this point.
Thus the attack cruisers would be as long as the Negh'var and not around 500 meters as you calculated.
Re: Galaxy X and Voodieh classes
Hi MrD,
No offense taken. I'm always happy when fellow forum writers point out any mistakes I might make. That's how you learn. My posts are simply my interpretations of a particular science fiction universe and its on screen evidence. Multiple interpretations are always possible.
Having said that, I would like to reply to your observation. The official 682m length for the Negh'var does indeed include the large rear projection sticking out from the fuselage. HOWEVER, the Voodieh variant has some distinctive differences from the original Negh'var model. It lacks the two large launchers on the underside of the ship (the ones that took down DS9's shields in DS9 'Way of the Warrior'). It also has some added cannon projections on the wings and forward fuselage. But for this article, the most important difference is the lack of the rear projection. While this is unclear in most of the confrontation with the Pasteur, it can be seen in two of the battle scenes.
In one, the Galaxy X is approaching the two cruisers from below. Their rear fuselages do not appear to have the 'Negh'var' extension.
http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/ ... gs1038.jpg
In the other scene, one Voodieh is veering off after the Gaxay X has just destroyed it's fellow cruiser. Again, the rear projection is not evident.
http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/ ... gs1064.jpg
Most Star Trek sites seem to retain this projection when they reconstruct the Voodieh (Ex Astris Scientia for example)
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schem ... _ships.htm
However, a look at the onsceen depiction would indicate a review of this interpretation.
Looking at your Negh'var picture, I calculate the rear projection at around 100m (give or take). So, if the Voodieh retains the dimensions of the original Negh'var, it would be around 582m in length. If it is a scaled down version, as I maintain, it would be smaller, perhaps in the 500m range I originally came up with.
Regards
Geon
No offense taken. I'm always happy when fellow forum writers point out any mistakes I might make. That's how you learn. My posts are simply my interpretations of a particular science fiction universe and its on screen evidence. Multiple interpretations are always possible.
Having said that, I would like to reply to your observation. The official 682m length for the Negh'var does indeed include the large rear projection sticking out from the fuselage. HOWEVER, the Voodieh variant has some distinctive differences from the original Negh'var model. It lacks the two large launchers on the underside of the ship (the ones that took down DS9's shields in DS9 'Way of the Warrior'). It also has some added cannon projections on the wings and forward fuselage. But for this article, the most important difference is the lack of the rear projection. While this is unclear in most of the confrontation with the Pasteur, it can be seen in two of the battle scenes.
In one, the Galaxy X is approaching the two cruisers from below. Their rear fuselages do not appear to have the 'Negh'var' extension.
http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/ ... gs1038.jpg
In the other scene, one Voodieh is veering off after the Gaxay X has just destroyed it's fellow cruiser. Again, the rear projection is not evident.
http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/ ... gs1064.jpg
Most Star Trek sites seem to retain this projection when they reconstruct the Voodieh (Ex Astris Scientia for example)
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schem ... _ships.htm
However, a look at the onsceen depiction would indicate a review of this interpretation.
Looking at your Negh'var picture, I calculate the rear projection at around 100m (give or take). So, if the Voodieh retains the dimensions of the original Negh'var, it would be around 582m in length. If it is a scaled down version, as I maintain, it would be smaller, perhaps in the 500m range I originally came up with.
Regards
Geon
Re: Galaxy X and Voodieh classes
Very well, it just felt strange to me that I basically pop up every few months to comment on your analysies only to disappear again after that for a while.
It makes me feel a bit like this:
http://aazz.aa.funpic.de/images/Schlumpf/Schlaubi.jpg
But I have to admit I find your articles very interesting very well done and also easy to read, not a simple feat.
Anyway I think we're both seeing different things in this particular scene.
This may be a matter of screen resolution or colour setup but I think that there is a visible rear section on the ship closer to the Pasteur.
The other seems too badly lit for it to be visible.
I've tried to adjust the contrast a bit more on my own screencap and zoom in on the ship.
I have not manipulated the picture to add something that is not there and the result looks like this:
My guess would be that the rear structure is simply not visible when the ship is seem fro them front due to the angle of the camera.
The main hull obstructs the view.
There is also an image on Ex-Astris here:
in the short segment on the Negh'var that shows the voDleH (Voodieh) model from "All Good Things" in a top view.
It is clearly the Voodieh model due to its distinctive fins as opposed to the Negh'var.
Since it is not possible to hotlink to EAS, I've also uploaded the image here:
*EDIT: I also found some additional images on the model shown on EAS in this gallery:
(please look near the bottom of the page)
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans ... ghvar1.htm
They all consistently show the rear structure.
It makes me feel a bit like this:
http://aazz.aa.funpic.de/images/Schlumpf/Schlaubi.jpg
But I have to admit I find your articles very interesting very well done and also easy to read, not a simple feat.
Anyway I think we're both seeing different things in this particular scene.
This may be a matter of screen resolution or colour setup but I think that there is a visible rear section on the ship closer to the Pasteur.
The other seems too badly lit for it to be visible.
I've tried to adjust the contrast a bit more on my own screencap and zoom in on the ship.
I have not manipulated the picture to add something that is not there and the result looks like this:
My guess would be that the rear structure is simply not visible when the ship is seem fro them front due to the angle of the camera.
The main hull obstructs the view.
There is also an image on Ex-Astris here:
in the short segment on the Negh'var that shows the voDleH (Voodieh) model from "All Good Things" in a top view.
It is clearly the Voodieh model due to its distinctive fins as opposed to the Negh'var.
Since it is not possible to hotlink to EAS, I've also uploaded the image here:
*EDIT: I also found some additional images on the model shown on EAS in this gallery:
(please look near the bottom of the page)
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans ... ghvar1.htm
They all consistently show the rear structure.
Re: Galaxy X and Voodieh classes
Hi MrD,
Yes, you are quite right, the Voodieh studio model does have the rear projection (surprisingly this is right behind the bridge). When you look at the studio model in
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans ... model1.jpg
you can see the model in the same position as the scene where the cruiser is veering off
http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/ ... gs1064.jpg
The rear projection is hidden by the fuselage, hence my statement.
Also, the other scene I mentioned
http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/ ... gs1038.jpg
does indeed show a rear projection on one of the ships, as you have noted (when you enlarge the image). Again, well spotted, though I can't seem to see the projection on the other cruiser.
I try to keep my articles as accurate as I can, so i appreciate readers like you noting any mistakes I may have made (please keep scrutinising my work!). Many pairs of eyes can spot things others may miss.
Still, since we both agree that the Olympus is roughly the same length as the forward fuselage and neck,we can make an educated guess as to the Voodieh's actual size. Since the neck and forward fuselage seem to now represent roughly half the length of the ship (with the added rear structure), the length of the Voodieh could well be the same as the Negh'var (ie 680m),
If that is indeed the case, and it is not a scaled down Negh'var model, we can speculate on its role in the fleet. Producing one basic hull for two ship types certainly makes manufacturing easier and quicker. Since this type is explicitly called an 'attack cruiser' in the episode, we could assume that it had taken over the Vorcha's role in the fleet. Except that in a 'Enterprise' episode we see a Vorcha fighting the sphere builders in the future, so the type would still be around in the 'All Good Things' universe.
We might see the Voodieh as a 'heavy' attack cruiser, and the Vorcha as a 'light' attack cruiser. The Negh'var 2 (as seen in the last episode of Voyager) would then fill the 'Command' ship role.
So a possible late Klingon Empire fleet might have the following (in BOTF terminology).
Negh'var 2 - Command ship
Voodieh - Heavy Attack cruiser
Vorcha - Light Attack Cruiser
K'vort - Light Cruiser
K'tinga - Destroyer
Rotarran BOP - Scout
Regards
Geon
Yes, you are quite right, the Voodieh studio model does have the rear projection (surprisingly this is right behind the bridge). When you look at the studio model in
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans ... model1.jpg
you can see the model in the same position as the scene where the cruiser is veering off
http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/ ... gs1064.jpg
The rear projection is hidden by the fuselage, hence my statement.
Also, the other scene I mentioned
http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/ ... gs1038.jpg
does indeed show a rear projection on one of the ships, as you have noted (when you enlarge the image). Again, well spotted, though I can't seem to see the projection on the other cruiser.
I try to keep my articles as accurate as I can, so i appreciate readers like you noting any mistakes I may have made (please keep scrutinising my work!). Many pairs of eyes can spot things others may miss.
Still, since we both agree that the Olympus is roughly the same length as the forward fuselage and neck,we can make an educated guess as to the Voodieh's actual size. Since the neck and forward fuselage seem to now represent roughly half the length of the ship (with the added rear structure), the length of the Voodieh could well be the same as the Negh'var (ie 680m),
If that is indeed the case, and it is not a scaled down Negh'var model, we can speculate on its role in the fleet. Producing one basic hull for two ship types certainly makes manufacturing easier and quicker. Since this type is explicitly called an 'attack cruiser' in the episode, we could assume that it had taken over the Vorcha's role in the fleet. Except that in a 'Enterprise' episode we see a Vorcha fighting the sphere builders in the future, so the type would still be around in the 'All Good Things' universe.
We might see the Voodieh as a 'heavy' attack cruiser, and the Vorcha as a 'light' attack cruiser. The Negh'var 2 (as seen in the last episode of Voyager) would then fill the 'Command' ship role.
So a possible late Klingon Empire fleet might have the following (in BOTF terminology).
Negh'var 2 - Command ship
Voodieh - Heavy Attack cruiser
Vorcha - Light Attack Cruiser
K'vort - Light Cruiser
K'tinga - Destroyer
Rotarran BOP - Scout
Regards
Geon
Re: Galaxy X and Voodieh classes
Hello geon,
I'm glad I could help.
I completely agree with your assessment that those are probably two variants with different functions.
I'd like to add a somewhat similar historical example:
The R-class battleships (Revenge class) and battlecruisers (Renown class).
The two battlecruisers Renown and Repulse were laid down as Revenge class battleships but constructed as battlecruisers.
As a result they were stretched by about 50 meters which has to do with the fact that the longer the ship is compared to its width,
the faster it can go while a higher width-to-length ratio allows for quicker turns.
Of course hydrodynamics don't apply in space so changes such is these would not make much sense in the Voodieh.
However there were other changes between the battleships and battlecruisers as well:
the 4th gun turret was removed
the armor was substantially thinner
a far more powerful engine was installed
I believe we can assume there are similar changes from a Negh'var class battleship to a Voodieh class Attack cruiser:
the removal of the ventral pods that are easily the length and probably several times the mass of a K't'inga each would already reduce
the ship's mass.
Armor in Star Trek is practically invisible (so much so the existence of additional armor on the Defiant from DS9's season 4 onwards had to
be literally announced to the audience).
Thus identifying its presence or absence is difficult however, a somewhat thinner armor compared to the Negh'var would allow us to
explain why the Enterprise's phaser gun could easily penetrate a Voodieh's hull.
Given the impressive acceleration the surviving Voodieh demonstrates when it retreats from the Enterprise compared to the brick-like
maneuvering we see from the Negh'vars both on DS9 and in "Endgame" I'd assume the attack cruisers have a more favourable
thrust-to-mass ratio than their battleship cousins.
This may be entirely due to the reduced mass or perhaps a combination of several factors like additional available power since there is no
need to arm the weapons in the ventral pod or even more internal space thanks to the absence of armor that allows more impulse reactors
to be installed on the Voodieh class.
In any case I think your analysis of the ships makes perfect sense and I believe including them in BotF mods that either cover
or touch upon the "AGT"-era would certainly benefit those mods not to mention it could very well increase the "canon feel" of such mods.
Stay safe!
MrD
I'm glad I could help.
I completely agree with your assessment that those are probably two variants with different functions.
I'd like to add a somewhat similar historical example:
The R-class battleships (Revenge class) and battlecruisers (Renown class).
The two battlecruisers Renown and Repulse were laid down as Revenge class battleships but constructed as battlecruisers.
As a result they were stretched by about 50 meters which has to do with the fact that the longer the ship is compared to its width,
the faster it can go while a higher width-to-length ratio allows for quicker turns.
Of course hydrodynamics don't apply in space so changes such is these would not make much sense in the Voodieh.
However there were other changes between the battleships and battlecruisers as well:
the 4th gun turret was removed
the armor was substantially thinner
a far more powerful engine was installed
I believe we can assume there are similar changes from a Negh'var class battleship to a Voodieh class Attack cruiser:
the removal of the ventral pods that are easily the length and probably several times the mass of a K't'inga each would already reduce
the ship's mass.
Armor in Star Trek is practically invisible (so much so the existence of additional armor on the Defiant from DS9's season 4 onwards had to
be literally announced to the audience).
Thus identifying its presence or absence is difficult however, a somewhat thinner armor compared to the Negh'var would allow us to
explain why the Enterprise's phaser gun could easily penetrate a Voodieh's hull.
Given the impressive acceleration the surviving Voodieh demonstrates when it retreats from the Enterprise compared to the brick-like
maneuvering we see from the Negh'vars both on DS9 and in "Endgame" I'd assume the attack cruisers have a more favourable
thrust-to-mass ratio than their battleship cousins.
This may be entirely due to the reduced mass or perhaps a combination of several factors like additional available power since there is no
need to arm the weapons in the ventral pod or even more internal space thanks to the absence of armor that allows more impulse reactors
to be installed on the Voodieh class.
In any case I think your analysis of the ships makes perfect sense and I believe including them in BotF mods that either cover
or touch upon the "AGT"-era would certainly benefit those mods not to mention it could very well increase the "canon feel" of such mods.
Stay safe!
MrD
Re: Galaxy X and Voodieh classes
Hi MrD,
Yes, it's interested readers and gamers like you, me and the rest of this forum community that keeps the spirit of 'classic' Star Trek and BOTF alive and well. Thanks to this talented community, Birth of The Federation is evolving into the game it should have been from the beginning.
Long may this forum prosper!!
Hmm, I wonder how a Voodieh would fare against a Valdore Class Warbird? I think I'll have to look into that
All the best
Geon
Yes, it's interested readers and gamers like you, me and the rest of this forum community that keeps the spirit of 'classic' Star Trek and BOTF alive and well. Thanks to this talented community, Birth of The Federation is evolving into the game it should have been from the beginning.
Long may this forum prosper!!
Hmm, I wonder how a Voodieh would fare against a Valdore Class Warbird? I think I'll have to look into that
All the best
Geon