(Updated 9-26-16) Ultimate Dominion mod III 3.0.1ddb

[robertbc73]

So 25 orbitals is a good number to have?

[thunderchero]

this all depends on attacking fleet 1 orbital may be enough.
but if you are being attacked by 100's of ships you would need 100's of orbitals

thunderchero

[adi]

this all depends on attacking fleet 1 orbital may be enough.
but if you are being attacked by 100's of ships you would need 100's of orbitals

thunderchero

you would think so but it is way more funky, or fuzzy, or something else...

I had the Orions membered; Klingons attacked with maybe 25-30 ships; most scouts and destroyers (it was early in the game) and 3(THREE) TTs; so i powered up all 17-20 Orbitals, bunker newtwork, bunker training, planetary shields. They conquered the Orions with no loss;
System had maybe 5000 ground defense; one TT had maybe 900 ground attack; so the TTs should not have been enough;
Scouts and destroyers should have been taken down by orbitals; at least some;
To be fair, i had a tech handicap and i noticed that orbitals seem to gain power with more tech and i was playing on impossible;

If I was to take the same system without loss, i would have needed at least as many cruisers as orbitals, and 12-15 TTs;

So from my play experience, don't bother building orbitals; they don't do much against an attacking fleet. if I get attacked and i have some on the system, i'll power them up, but i never build them on purpose; unless you have a tech advantage, they are not useful; but if you have a tech advantage, usually you are the one doing the conquering.

[robertbc73]

Thank you for the feedback on the orbital batteries.

Another question.

If a minor race is a member, of say the dominion, they worship you (bar is full), and you bribe them with max money and they refuse to break with the dominion. Does that mean they will NEVER break with the dominion or is it just a roll of the dice and keep trying?

Thank you.

[thunderchero]

Does that mean they will NEVER break with the dominion or is it just a roll of the dice and keep trying?

depends on how bad you want to member them. but in my experience once you are able to bribe them, next turn they just go right back to original race. The only other thing would be to start a propaganda campaign but this is very hit and miss since you can not direct espionage.

so to sum up, it is best to just to subjugate the minor and kill the dominion

thunderchero

[thunderchero]

so i powered up all 17-20 Orbitals, bunker newtwork, bunker training, planetary shields. They conquered the Orions with no loss;

I have no proof nor have I tested any, but I wonder if the longer you have them powered the more effective them become?

SCT posted about intel if unused will store intel point (until needed) and is more effective when used.

thunderchero

[adi]

I have no proof nor have I tested any, but I wonder if the longer you have them powered the more effective them become?

SCT posted about intel if unused will store intel point (until needed) and is more effective when used.

thunderchero

Yeah, i read about the intel buffer build-up; could be the same for the orbitals but i rather think the attacker had some bonuses from tech advantage and me playing on impossible.

As to bribing, once you get the minor at full bar, keep gifting them for several more turns; you won't gain any more favor but their favor with their current ally goes down a little; so after several more turns when you ask them and they accept your bribe, you have a worship advantage versus the other major. Once they accept your bribe ask them for affiliation with full gift.
That's how i do it; but thunder is right, subjugating is less of a pain in the @$$; even with the morale penalty

[robertbc73]

When it says Cardasians work well in numbers, about what number are we talking? A full stack (9) of ships or multiple stacks (of 9) of ships?

[adi]

When it says Cardasians work well in numbers, about what number are we talking? A full stack (9) of ships or multiple stacks (of 9) of ships?

it's just star trek bla, bla, bla; but you got the jest; there is some truth in it; more ships always work better than less.

[robertbc73]

Concerning the Cardassians:

Why is the Galore Class Cruiser listed on the build list as a Battleship?

Why does the Galore Class Cruiser have Photon Torpedoes and not Quantum Torpedoes?

Anyone else notice the file Trek.EXE crashes A LOT less playing the Cardassians? >.>

[robertbc73]

It would be nice to be able to have random events on but the rate of climate changes and natural disasters turned down. I miss the Borg but playing on a large map I can't play with random events on. It soon becomes, easily, every 10 turns a planet's climate gets changed (not that bad) or a natural disaster happens (cool if occasionally but not every 10ish turns) that seems to always target all the factories first. I don't know if you can do anything about it but just something that seemed skewed to me.

To the early topic of winning over another members race: No subjugation isn't better. Bombing the planet clean is better. At least then you won't be working with a permanent 100(ish)% moral penalty, which makes any kind of production for that system handicapped. Which makes a race like the Benzites useless and greatly reduces the benefit of a large system. Yes you can use it for espionage or research but for some minor races that's just a waste. As much as I LOVE the Cardassians, it's just not worth subjugating 99% of the time. (I miss Forced labor farms and mining prisons, those ALMOST made it worth while.)

[thunderchero]

Why is the Galore Class Cruiser listed on the build list as a Battleship?

the original code by SCT for the "Command" ships to allow selecting single ships required an early command ship and it was the best candidate. but since then that requirement has been removed.

Why does the Galore Class Cruiser have Photon Torpedoes and not Quantum Torpedoes?

weapon labels go by tech levels so since it is an early ship it get the lower label.

Anyone else notice the file Trek.EXE crashes A LOT less playing the Cardassians?

good question, I have never noticed less crashes with cardassians, but this maybe due to they are base race "C" when code is race related it will get current race prefix (C, F, H, K, R) C is used as example of file or called item.

At least then you won't be working with a permanent 100(ish)% moral penalty

it is not permanent, many time I have gotten a majors home system to content or even enthusiastic. you just have to pay a lot of attention to them and make sure all positive morale buildings are active. also not to use the negative morale buildings Forced labor farms and mining prisons.

thunderchero

[robertbc73]

At least then you won't be working with a permanent 100(ish)% moral penalty

it is not permanent, many time I have gotten a majors home system to content or even enthusiastic. you just have to pay a lot of attention to them and make sure all positive morale buildings are active. also not to use the negative morale buildings Forced labor farms and mining prisons.

thunderchero[/quote]

If you subjugate a system, building every positive moral building you can (not counting having the baku, bajorans, or risans), your morale will never go above 120ish UNLESS you eliminate a race and even then it will quickly fall back down to the same mark. This is even when under heavy combat and winning 2 massive fights a turn and 3 or minor fights a turn.

[robertbc73]

What would be AWESOME is a selector of close, medium, or far, for how close the other major races core systems are from each other. THAT would totally be Trektastic.

[robertbc73]

I really miss the ability to scroll the map just using the mouse, now having to use the keyboard is just annoying. Overlook? Concession? Just curious.

Thank you. Love the MOD!