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Minor race attitudes!

Post by Mentat » Thu May 07, 2009 10:48 am

In UE we have a nice listing of all Minor race attitudes when you alter stbof.res with it. The point is, it doesn't seem to change the attitudes for real? Could this be connected with a setting in Trek.exe? Since either in UDM3.0.0 or in my add on, the Maquis/Bajorans are neutral to the Cardassians instead of hostile/engraged.

Is the entire demanour more dependent on the type of personality?
e.g.: The "warlike" Risans seem to hate anybody but the Federation, who they have the best hostility setting with(receptive).
While hostile set Maquis/Bajor just goes to neutral with Cardassia ingame, because they are only deceptive/spiritual?

Edit: I am doing some tests atm. with various combinations of Attitude and Personality, its seems that it might be connected with that.
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Post by DCER » Thu May 07, 2009 11:37 am

The only reason it would not work is if the entry names in aiminor.bin and/or trek.exe are wrong. Run Check Integrity, if it doesn't mention aiminor.bin then trek.exe is broken. This is mod specific and setting attitudes works in normal circumstances.

EDIT:

just checked and trek.exe has races listed in the wrong order. This means when you edit Ferengi you're actually editing T'Lani. I'll add code to UE to auto-fix it.

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Post by Mentat » Thu May 07, 2009 1:06 pm

Thanks a lot DCER! This really makes me think to better get into Hexediting after all, ... your help is highly appreciated though.
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Post by thunderchero » Fri May 08, 2009 12:40 am

DCER wrote:just checked and trek.exe has races listed in the wrong order. This means when you edit Ferengi you're actually editing T'Lani. I'll add code to UE to auto-fix it.
I thought I got them in the right order. I guess I was wrong :cry: sorry

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Post by DCER » Fri May 08, 2009 3:39 am

It happens.

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Re: Minor race attitudes!

Post by Kurn » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:18 pm

I still don't understand exactly what difference it makes when I change the personality of a minor race.
For example: I played the Cardassians. The Trill attitude is icy and their personality is peaceful. I hailed a Trill ship at first contact. It fled and next turn they declared war. Also Trill built a lot of OBs.

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Re: Minor race attitudes!

Post by thunderchero » Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:55 pm

personality;
would be the race in general is "peaceful". each type of personality has a different value and is used in many calculations.

attitude/hostility
Is how a minor race views a major race. this only effect starting attitude on first contact. but is also used in diplomacy calculations.

(but I never understood, if it is truly "first contact" everything should be neutral). but I guess it would have been difficult to code AI adaptable depending on game play. so they used preconceived/known minor race attitude.

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Re: Minor race attitudes!

Post by Kurn » Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:50 am

thunderchero wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:55 pm
personality;
would be the race in general is "peaceful". each type of personality has a different value and is used in many calculations.
Which calculations? I found only bribe/gifts.

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(but I never understood, if it is truly "first contact" everything should be neutral). but I guess it would have been difficult to code AI adaptable depending on game play. so they used preconceived/known minor race attitude.
You might be right.
If the Bajorans/Bolians/Vulcans would be neutral to the Cardassians, they might become allies, when the Bajorans/Bolians/Vulcans had many OBs, even if the Cardassians already exploit many weak minor races. It would be difficult to believe the Bajorans/Bolians/Vulcans would be pleased with their membership after knowing about the cruel methods of the Cardassians.

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Re: Minor race attitudes!

Post by Spocks-cuddly-tribble » Thu Jul 12, 2018 9:29 am

Kurn wrote:
Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:50 am
thunderchero wrote:
Mon Jul 09, 2018 4:55 pm
each type of personality has a different value and is used in many calculations.
Which calculations? I found only bribe/gifts.
You have to dig for them in the asm code. They never got posted, analysed and tested due to primitive, time consuming coding with unsatisfying modding options. Anyhow, below come a few code switches, but only some of the 'pacifist' checks appear to hold real significance.

My last game (except for tests) was way back in early 2007 (the same applies to any other computer gaming), but there is some behavioral anomalies with minors IIRC. E.g. Mintakans offering membership on first contact despite of insufficient sympathy and these:
viewtopic.php?f=21&t=3033&p=6051#p6051

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AUTO:00429E6D                 cmp     ebx, 2          ; pacifist?
AUTO:00429EB5                 cmp     ebx, 3          ; deceptive?

AUTO:0042A093                 cmp     ebx, 2          ; pacifist?
AUTO:0042A098                 cmp     ebx, 3          ; deceptive?

AUTO:0042986E                 cmp     edx, 2          ; pacifist?
AUTO:00429873                 cmp     edx, 3          ; deceptive?


AUTO:00415742                 cmp     dword ptr [ebx+4], 2 ; pacifist?

AUTO:00415296                 cmp     esi, 2          ; pacifist?

AUTO:00414A81                 cmp     dword ptr [eax+4], 2  // pacifist? -> no Raid/Harass ship tasks


4 byte integer modifiers for minor personalities 0-4: (random switch between the two datafields?)
ds:58BBF0
ds:58BC04


8 byte float modifiers for minor personalities 0-4:
ds:58BC18

4 byte float modifiers for minor personalities 0-4:
ds:58C284
ds:58C298

default values of all floats are always the same for all personalities
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