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Re: The world is a hologram

Post by Axis » Tue May 26, 2020 11:10 pm

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Beside of this, with star group I think you rather mean 'star system group' or 'stellar system group' that includes the planets.
Planets is kind of an abstraction as well. I'm still sad they officially declassified Pluto to a dwarf planet, where there are more of it in our solar system.
Celestial body would be more comprehensive, also taking the many large moons into account. But well, even some empty space region might be of interest to occupy. Therefore I'd rather opt to something like 'Stellar Presence'.
Going that route, you also miss the 'glactic quadrant' of Star Trek.

Then the continental states, they are without meaning when they encompass the space. And also the focus on continents might be a bit short looking when you have a water world. Possibly better go with a more generalized 'surface region' or 'regional state' or 'regional presence' or something.

Then the city states. I really don't get this one. What is the meaning of a federation of a few cities below regional state? If looking for an address instead you'd rather go for a 'regional location' but as far I understand you talk of the growth level of the imperial federation. That case you might be looking for a 'federal state' like we have here in germany. My home city in fact makes up such a federal state, although that is an exception.
Star system qroup would define it better, I agree.
The continental state just came to mind first, but they can be smaller, there are islands and island groups sometimes.
The city states are almost like Hamburg or Washington DC, the ground level of the imperial federation, it does not go any further, city areas are not governed, I don't know if they even have names if they have no position in the IF.
The amount of these states is defined by how many different symbols there can be at one level, so far I've come to the conclusion that they increase by approximately 100 times at each level (the actual number might be higher when going on with them to the lowest levels), so a regional state could have 100s of city states in it's area (even the smaller ones are accepted in the city state status).
Ancient Greece had city states, and it worked fine at that time.

Planet states include the moons, starbases and such.

There are different kinds of planets in the IF, ranging from desert planets to jungle, mediterranean vegetation, central european vegetation etc, they all have just one vegetation zone thanks to the upright positioning of their planetary axis, ocean planets exist too.
But if an ocean planet has less states, then there are planets that have more of them, just a matter of arrangement.

I used to be a endless universe enthusiast myself in the highschool years, maybe a few years after that too, but I've more or less gone through those ideas with that point of view, I've kinda grown out of those, that's part of why I take them with a grain of salt.

And about the hologram, there is limited view that can be seen at one time, that limits the size and amount of how many things there can be. A view of the earth from space is not actually much different than one that can be seen from a very large movie screen, it can even give the same feel of depth too. So, there's the limit of how much your holographic viewscreen can show you, everything must happen within these guidelines, so an endless universe becomes just an idea, an idea that cannot be really fully comprehended.

I think there is at least one endless thing, and that is the life itself, you can die a thousand times in a hologram, be born again etc, they are all just sensations after all.

And the imperial federation, it is not meant to be in this current universe, but in an orderly, smaller one, one that can be comprehended fully.
In that universe there are no stellar phenomenon like black holes or neutron stars etc, but stability, in their science fiction these things might be found though.
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Re: The world is a hologram

Post by Axis » Wed May 27, 2020 12:01 am

I think the world (the holograms) has one part chaos, one part perfection, so there's half of this and half of that.
When going to the perfect side, even a mole on your skin can be chaotic (they can be disturbing).

These holograms develop by the time to the direction of perfection, you are given monitors with better resolutions and more color depth for example,
newest movies and series look sometimes better than the "real" world.
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Re: The world is a hologram

Post by Axis » Wed May 27, 2020 1:14 am

A sketch of USS Leviathan (Universia Staar Ship), an intrauniverseal carrier, flagship of Sexion Estroversum Xenotopia.
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Dunno about the ship word, if it is the correct one, Universia Infinitia Paradisia language uses all the words of all languages.
When having so many words, it becomes possible to have one word for every one thing, so there's no such things as one word meaning two different things, like the general-word, other military, other common.
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Re: The world is a hologram

Post by Flocke » Wed May 27, 2020 3:11 am

Axis wrote:
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And about the hologram, there is limited view that can be seen at one time, that limits the size and amount of how many things there can be.
Sure, in a hologram there is no reason to simulate anything that's not to be detected by your sensations anyhow. In fact that is kind of the faults I'd expect to detect with a hologram. Have a too close look at the detail or move too far away and it is missing out or becomes repetitive. Just like what we do with computer simulations. Generic worlds miss the detail and variation, they become repetitive, and manually designed worlds are very litmited.
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And the imperial federation, it is not meant to be in this current universe, but in an orderly, smaller one, one that can be comprehended fully.
In that universe there are no stellar phenomenon like black holes or neutron stars etc, but stability, in their science fiction these things might be found though.
You really can't rule out the black holes. It makes the center of each galaxy! What else mass could attract so many stars to form a galaxy? There is nothing but a black hole that gives such order to the universe. A holographic world that doesn't account for the physics we know, it is all but orderly. And what we comprehend just is based on how far you seek. Therefore while you keep learning it is likely you find a miss when thinking back in time, otherwise it would need to know ahead of what you are going to learn and inspect. That gives a very limited bubble of imagination like I already mentioned. :D

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Re: The world is a hologram

Post by Flocke » Wed May 27, 2020 3:24 am

But lets possibly concentrate on a holographic fantasy novel in which the imperial federation is part of and aims for perfection of unification. A liitle portion of chaos is right what you need to give the story a little bit of salt. So what imperfection there is that the imperial federation needs to address? What is the meaning for which it was formed?

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Re: The world is a hologram

Post by Axis » Wed May 27, 2020 4:43 am

Flocke wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 3:24 am
But lets possibly concentrate on a holographic fantasy novel in which the imperial federation is part of and aims for perfection of unification. A liitle portion of chaos is right what you need to give the story a little bit of salt. So what imperfection there is that the imperial federation needs to address? What is the meaning for which it was formed?
You don't get it, it is paradise, there is no such thing as imperfection, it is about the ultimate goal achieved, you just experience these always working solutions there.

And about the salt in a story, there still seems to be the need for chaos (negative things) in order for the experience to be something.
That's psychology, when you don't have the need for something to be wrong, then you can fully appreciate things that have no flaws.

I can tell you it has a God, or Goddess as the empress of the IF, the tallest and "loudest" (I think, if there were God, she'd look nice :wink: ).
Also the imperial senate and the imperial house of commons/representatives.
They're immortal, so they're permanently in the office, there's no such thing as elections (all the fuzz).
They look a little like my roughly modified profile image, a little like the romulans of TNG,DS9,VOY and ENT.
They have six fingers in their hands, an extra thumb on the other side of the hand to give extra grip (a little more spiderlike hands).
Eyes are like that of a cat, irises are slits, they have long canine teeth, pointy ears like vulcans/romulans have, and eyebrows like they do.

You're right about that when you say that it's a learning process, these things take time, and they develop further from there, but I trust some things cannot be changed, it's like in math, 1+1=2, that's an absolute truth, it cannot ever go wrong (perfection in it's own way).
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Re: The world is a hologram

Post by Axis » Wed May 27, 2020 5:41 am

Of the black holes, where's the need for dangerous things in paradise?
All we know about them are theories and some vague images and from scifi.
As in a hologram, that's just another story among others.

There should be a better solution to that kind of problem like the gravity of a galaxy, who knows, it might be the old theory that is right, that stars' combined gravity keeps them together in a galaxy, after all, there are more of them in the center.

And, I shouldn't really care about that "limited imagination"-barking, a stereotypical response would be that it is quite unimaginative to repeat what everyone else has come up with.
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Re: The world is a hologram

Post by Flocke » Wed May 27, 2020 7:20 am

Axis wrote:
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You don't get it, it is paradise, there is no such thing as imperfection, it is about the ultimate goal achieved, you just experience these always working solutions there.
From what you are telling, it rather sounds like a nightmare, where ppl aren't meant to question and there only exist one final truth. Go with that truth and have a nice living, start questioning and you become a fault in that all so perfect system which needs to be extinguished. A system where you aren't even meant to think cause it could bring up question.

Further, when you had a perfect system, there is no meaning to a political representation like the imperial federation. What does it judge in a holographic paradise? Where comes the bible of rules one must apply? :razz:

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Re: The world is a hologram

Post by Axis » Wed May 27, 2020 7:35 am

Flocke wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 7:20 am
Axis wrote:
Wed May 27, 2020 4:43 am
You don't get it, it is paradise, there is no such thing as imperfection, it is about the ultimate goal achieved, you just experience these always working solutions there.
From what you are telling, it rather sounds like a nightmare, where ppl aren't meant to question and there only exist one final truth. Go with that truth and have a nice living, start questioning and you become a fault in that all so perfect system which needs to be extinguished. A system where you aren't even meant to think cause it could bring up question.

Further, when you had a perfect system, there is no meaning to a political representation like the imperial federation. What does it judge in a holographic paradise? Where comes the bible of rules one must apply? :razz:
You give the stereotypical ununderstanding point of view of such system, most likely based on the history of earth, not imagination.
The people there might question, but they are given answers, think they can, and will.
But, what's the point of questioning the already perfect solutions, should there again be a worse, a chaotic solution for people to use.

It is not so much different from the major religions' view, there's no wrong in the God's kingdom, God knows of absolute right (and wrong), this just isn't about the old bearded guy sitting on the edge of a cloud.

So far I've come up with the idea that the imperial federation is led, almost in a military manner (in a more relaxed way though).
I liked the way things worked in the army.

Also, this perfect universe hologram is meant for myself, there are no people from this world.
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Re: The world is a hologram

Post by Flocke » Wed May 27, 2020 1:17 pm

Well for your own perfect hologram vision you are free in what you imagine and I will stop to question.

In fact at some time I believe we will have the technology to simulate all the human senses with some implants. And like nowerdays we play games and watch tv, at that time we'll probably all enjoy our holographic visions. But I hope people won't loose touch to the real world. Already in the current time way too many ppl don't care on responsibility. And in a perfect holographic world ppl likely loose any remaining responsibilty.

But will be fun to experience some altering realities that have their complete own rules and physics. :up:

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Re: The world is a hologram

Post by Axis » Wed May 27, 2020 11:34 pm

Flocke wrote:
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And in a perfect holographic world ppl likely loose any remaining responsibilty.

But will be fun to experience some altering realities that have their complete own rules and physics. :up:
Yeah, that's the usual predictable outcome in this world, but in my version, even the thoughts are what is also projected from outside, after all, they have feelings too, some feel bad, some feel good, so they're sensations too.
So, you won't lose responsibility when those thoughts get better, you might even, and will get extra-motivated towards responsibilities and other things too.
Losing negative thoughts and emotions is key to the perfect universe, obviously there are some totally unnecessary feelings like hate, fear, worry, sadness and such, they hinder your ability to do things, like in the military or police or fire department, you can function better without such feelings, when you don't stop on every step because of such emotions.
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Re: The world is a hologram

Post by Axis » Fri May 29, 2020 6:40 am

I came to this conclusion by going into a deep state of kelno'reem, at Chulak! :lol:
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Re: The world is a hologram

Post by Axis » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:14 am

The reason why people don't comment (which is quite too often these days), is that these people have ascended, reached a higher plane of existence, therefore they are not allowed to interfere with lower levels of existence :lol: .
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Re: The world is a hologram

Post by Axis » Sat Aug 01, 2020 8:13 am

I just met a man who was watching the stargate, and stargate only, I recall he was suffering from some kind of Cheynne mountain complex. Oh, come on this is funny! :lol:
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