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Re: What can I do to help

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Hi Iceman,
I reviewed the list and made some changes. I mostly modified things so that it keeps the "feeling" of immersion. Instead of "You have won the game", I substituted text such as "{0} is victorious!" or "we must surrender."

There is a problem, I think with the ALLIANCE_VICTORY_THEM. What goes into {0} when an opposing alliance wins? Biggest member of the Alliance? Even with that, saying "the Klingon Empire is victorious" when it is the Klingon/Rom alliance that has won feels off. Not that I can see that ever happening!

Here's the text back to you!

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<CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_HEADER_REDMATTER_INITIATED_US">
        <Value Language="en">The [f {{HeaderTextBrush}}]{0}[/] has started synthesizing Red Matter!</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_DETAILS_REDMATTER_INITIATED_US">
        <Value Language="en">Mining the rare isotope decalithium found in Demon planets will allow us to synthesize Red Matter.  With the power to create black holes, we will control the galaxy!</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_HEADER_REDMATTER_INITIATED_THEM">
        <Value Language="en">Our intelligence services report that the [f {{HeaderTextBrush}}]{0}[/] has started synthesizing Red Matter.  We must take immediate action!</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_DETAILS_REDMATTER_INITIATED_THEM">
        <Value Language="en">Our intelligence services have intercepted a disturbing subspace transmission from the [f {{HeaderTextBrush}}]{0}[/].  They have started synthesizing Red Matter in a research facility at an undisclosed location.  We must take immediate action!</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_HEADER_ALL_CIVS_ELIMINATED">
        <Value Language="en">All the major powers in the game are now under our control!</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_DETAILS_ALL_CIVS_ELIMINATED">
        <Value Language="en">All major powers in the galaxy have been eliminated.  There are none left to threaten our control!</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_HEADER_ELIMINATION_VICTORY_US">
        <Value Language="en">The last major power has falled to our might!</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_DETAILS_ELIMINATION_VICTORY_US">
        <Value Language="en">Every other major government in the galaxy has been eliminated.  Shall we claim victory now?</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_HEADER_ELIMINATION_VICTORY_THEM">
        <Value Language="en">The [f {{HeaderTextBrush}}]{0}[/] has won the game!</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_DETAILS_ELIMINATION_VICTORY_THEM">
        <Value Language="en">The [f {{HeaderTextBrush}}]{0}[/] is the only surviving major civilization in the galaxy.</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_HEADER_SUPREMACY_VICTORY_US">
        <Value Language="en">The last major power has fallen to the might of the [f {{HeaderTextBrush}}]{0}[/]!</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_DETAILS_SUPREMACY_VICTORY_US">
        <Value Language="en">Our knowledge of Red Matter gives us supremacy over the other major governments.  Shall we claim victory now?</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_HEADER_SUPREMACY_VICTORY_THEM">
        <Value Language="en">The {0} has won the game!</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_DETAILS_SUPREMACY_VICTORY_THEM">
        <Value Language="en">The [f {{HeaderTextBrush}}]{0}[/] has successfully synthesized Red Matter, which gives them the ability to collapse a star with a single drop of the substance.  We must submit.</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_HEADER_DOMINATION_VICTORY_US">
        <Value Language="en">The [f {{HeaderTextBrush}}]{0}[/] has won the game!</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_DETAILS_DOMINATION_VICTORY_US">
        <Value Language="en">Every major government has fallen to our military dominance.  Shall we accept their surrender?</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_HEADER_DOMINATION_VICTORY_THEM">
        <Value Language="en">The [f {{HeaderTextBrush}}]{0}[/] has won the game!</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_DETAILS_DOMINATION_VICTORY_THEM">
        <Value Language="en">The [f {{HeaderTextBrush}}]{0}[/] has achieved a domination victory.  We must surrender.</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_HEADER_ALLIANCE_VICTORY_US">
        <Value Language="en">Our alliance has defeated all remaining major powers.  We are victorious!</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_DETAILS_ALLIANCE_VICTORY_US">
        <Value Language="en">Our alliance has achieved dominance.  Shall we declare victory now or crush all our enemies?</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_HEADER_ALLIANCE_VICTORY_THEM">
        <Value Language="en">The {0} has won the game!</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_DETAILS_ALLIANCE_VICTORY_THEM">
        <Value Language="en">The [f {{HeaderTextBrush}}]{0}[/] has achieved an alliance victory.</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_HEADER_TECHNOLOGY_VICTORY_US">
        <Value Language="en">The [f {{HeaderTextBrush}}]{0}[/] has achieved technological perfection!  We have won!</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_DETAILS_TECHNOLOGY_VICTORY_US">
        <Value Language="en">Our technological expertise allows us to rule the galaxy.  Shall we claim superiority now?</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_HEADER_TECHNOLOGY_VICTORY_THEM">
        <Value Language="en">The [f {{HeaderTextBrush}}]{0}[/] have achieved technological perfection.  We must surrender.</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_DETAILS_TECHNOLOGY_VICTORY_THEM">
        <Value Language="en">The [f {{HeaderTextBrush}}]{0}[/] has achieved a technology victory.</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_HEADER_SCORE_VICTORY_US">
        <Value Language="en">The [f {{HeaderTextBrush}}]{0}[/] controls enough of the galaxy to demand the surrender of the remaining powers.  We are victorious!</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_DETAILS_SCORE_VICTORY_US">
        <Value Language="en">Our civilization's assets dwarf those of all the remaining major powers.  Shall we accept their surrender?</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_HEADER_SCORE_VICTORY_THEM">
        <Value Language="en">The [f {{HeaderTextBrush}}]{0}[/] controls enough of the galaxy to demand the surrender of all remaining powers.  We must surrender.</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_DETAILS_SCORE_VICTORY_THEM">
        <Value Language="en">The [f {{HeaderTextBrush}}]{0}[/] can no longer be defeated.  We must surrender.</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_HEADER_BORG_PERFECTION_VICTORY_US">
        <Value Language="en">The [f {{HeaderTextBrush}}]{0}[/] now possess sufficient technology to assimilate the remaining galaxy!  We are defeated</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_DETAILS_BORG_PERFECTION_VICTORY_US">
        <Value Language="en">We have attained technological perfection.  The remaining life forms have capitulated.  We are the Borg.</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_HEADER_BORG_PERFECTION_VICTORY_THEM">
        <Value Language="en">The remaining life forms have capitulated to our technical perfection.  We are the Borg.</Value>
      </CivString>
      <CivString Key="MESSAGE_SITREP_DETAILS_BORG_PERFECTION_VICTORY_THEM">
        <Value Language="en">The [f {{HeaderTextBrush}}]{0}[/] has achieved a technological level that cannot be matched by any major power in the galaxy.  We are defeated.</Value>
      </CivString>

I hope this works! Let me know if you wanted this to go in a different direction.
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Re: What can I do to help

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Question - why is this guy the face of the Betazoids?

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How about replacing him with Lwaxana Troi/Majel Barrett Roddenberry. Just cuz.

Here's one off the web.

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Warp Core Breach wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:34 pm There is a problem, I think with the ALLIANCE_VICTORY_THEM. What goes into {0} when an opposing alliance wins? Biggest member of the Alliance? Even with that, saying "the Klingon Empire is victorious" when it is the Klingon/Rom alliance that has won feels off. Not that I can see that ever happening!
LOL.
Hmm, you're right. I'll have to check that. Good catch!
Maybe the text should be generic and not mention the winning civs? Or should we list them?

Here's the text back to you!

I hope this works! Let me know if you wanted this to go in a different direction.
Thanks! I'll take a look tonight. :up:
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Warp Core Breach wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:52 pm Question - why is this guy the face of the Betazoids?
IIRC whoever selected the race pics tried (as much as possible) to not use pics from the most famous actors, to avoid any legal issues. That was some 15 years ago though.

How about replacing him with Lwaxana Troi/Majel Barrett Roddenberry. Just cuz.

Here's one off the web.
I guess that would be nice, yes.
But that image is only 266x203, we need those to be 270x270.
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There ya go...

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Ok, so a couple of questions:

- Should we change the pic :?:

- If so, to which one of the above :?: Or wait for other candidates :?:
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Guy was mentally unstable(not that Lwaxana is under control either). :D

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Tam_Elbrun
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Well, he is a first contact specialist, so it kind of makes sense to have his pic :wink:
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Warp Core Breach wrote: Wed Apr 20, 2022 11:34 pm There is a problem, I think with the ALLIANCE_VICTORY_THEM. What goes into {0} when an opposing alliance wins? Biggest member of the Alliance? Even with that, saying "the Klingon Empire is victorious" when it is the Klingon/Rom alliance that has won feels off. Not that I can see that ever happening!
What happens is that you would get 2 sitreps in that situation, one saying the Klingons have won, and the other saying the Romulans have won. It's not that bad, since you will infer that they are allied, but I'll see about only showing one sitrep with the names of all winners.

I hope this works! Let me know if you wanted this to go in a different direction.
I only managed to check a few, but here are some comments:

* there's no use in using formatting in the _HEADER_ texts, as it will not have any effect; hence them only having {0} instead of [f {{HeaderTextBrush}}]{0}[/]

* texts ending with _US are for the human player that wins the game, those ending with_THEM are for the rest of the human players; MESSAGE_SITREP_HEADER_BORG_PERFECTION_VICTORY_US is therefore wrong ("We are defeated!")

* both the _HEADER_ and corresponding _DETAILS_ texts are used in the same sitrep dialog (the former is the "title" and the latter the "description"), so they should not be very similar as it feels like a repetition; plus, the _HEADER_ text is usually also used as the sitrep message for the Summary screen, so it should be a (somewhat) short but descriptive message


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doh, I didn't realize about the HEADER and DETAIL. Let me take a second pass through this.

I did understand the US was the player receiving the message. I assumed THEM was generic all other players, CPU or HUMAN.

Will review and resend.
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Warp Core Breach wrote: Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:39 pm doh, I didn't realize about the HEADER and DETAIL. Let me take a second pass through this.
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I did understand the US was the player receiving the message. I assumed THEM was generic all other players, CPU or HUMAN.
There's no point in sending sitrep messages to CPU players :razz:
But yes, it is all other players, whether CPU or human.
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So, Misfire is working on a graphical combat engine for Supremacy, using Unity3D. As soon as he has something playable (and a lot of work has already been done), we will release a test build.
Right now it is only using one ship model, so we need more models. If anyone is willing to contribute with usable models, it would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance.
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Has anyone tried to get in touch with the guys from https://trekmeshes.ch/?
There are a bunch over there.. maybe some of it is compatible with what we need?
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the6the wrote: Fri Jun 03, 2022 8:23 am Has anyone tried to get in touch with the guys from https://trekmeshes.ch/?
There are a bunch over there.. maybe some of it is compatible with what we need?
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